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As a newbie here, I've tried to search back recent topics so as not to bog down this forum with old questions, already answered. Couldn't find anything on the above, but may have missed it.
I did see on the news today that Devil's Claw Tea is a great pain reliever for gout. This searching and searching for 'what I don't know' is new to my work day, but does take priority in my life now. Have any of you tried this tea? I've seen it advertised in rough form, also, but am more interested in the tea.
I've tried Devils Claw drops (as a tincture) and never found it of benefit, or otherwise.
The tea form may be more effective, but I read recently warnings about use , I can't remember details.
The problem with home cures is unknown ,unreported effects- yet in some cases, people swear by their effectiveness. If they work, then side effects are less a problem.
There's a lot of gimmiicks out there to separate you from your pain. Most just separate you from your money.
zip2play said:
There's a lot of gimmiicks out there to separate you from your pain. Most just separate you from your money.
You are right on the spot. When I was having swelling and pain last year June /July, I tried all possible food cures I can – Bing Cherry, Tart Cherry juice( I used to have 50-60 pcs of cherry a day as it was peak season in California), strawberry, Devlil's claw, Many famous Goutcure medications /vitamins from Goutcure website( they are all lying waste)…You name it and I had tried it( except BBB broth)….NONE worked….it was just frustrating and I must have spent few hundred dollars easily on all such stuff….the pain always remained attached while the money separated….
The only thing which caused very little money but huge separation of pain and swelling was Allopurinol and Colchicine combo.
Since that time, I do not care about any other gout care product…I think it is more taxing on mind than helping. I actually have been testing myself by eating whatever is Gout prohibited – dried beans, pulses, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, asparagus, oatmeal…and I have been eating them a lot for last 6 weeks, every meal generally has one of these prohibited items…and also lamb on few occasions in addition to these items….so far it has been good, no flareups or twinges…let's hope it stays same way. I am taking 300 mg Allopurinol a day and I think it is helping to keep gout away…
I've only just seen this, and I do not know why the search did not pick up my Devil's claw for gout review. Anyway, unless you really like the taste of this stuff, do not bother with it. It's unlikely to harm, but equally unlikely to help gout.
Utubelite said:…
The only thing which caused very little money but huge separation of pain and swelling was Allopurinol and Colchicine combo.
Since that time, I do not care about any other gout care product…I think it is more taxing on mind than helping. I actually have been testing myself by eating whatever is Gout prohibited – dried beans, pulses, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, asparagus, oatmeal…and I have been eating them a lot for last 6 weeks, every meal generally has one of these prohibited items…and also lamb on few occasions in addition to these items….so far it has been good, no flareups or twinges…let's hope it stays same way. I am taking 300 mg Allopurinol a day and I think it is helping to keep gout away…
“dried beans, pulses, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, asparagus, oatmeal…”
Are you still eating all those vegies without any “gout effects” ? Please, Utubelite, let me know. I am ready to ring all those people's neck who have kept me fom eating those healthy vegies.
I am not on Allo, but on Probenecid.
Me too hans…
I have NO dietary restrictions and even enjoy shrimp, scallops, calves liver, and chicken liver pate, gravy on everything, bean soups, wild mushroooms when I can find them, oatmeal once a a week, WHeteana-farina once a week (I'd have it more but prefer eggs to mush.)
I'd even go for Sweetbreads if some kind soul would pick up the tab at some fancy-schmancy French restaurant occasionally.
My only dietary restrictions are the caloric ones…and that's quite enough worl
It's the reason we take allopurinol, so we don't have to live like monks.
Allopurinol stops us from turning all those purines into uric acid so it MIGHT be a different story from probenecid. But it seems likely the net result would be the same.
As an aside: I have proven coronary artery disease and I could torture myself with diet but I choose to eat what I wish and pop 40 mg. Lipitor and that gives me LDL's in the middle 60's which is humanly impossible with diet even eating nothing but mown grass.
Some drugs I DESPISE…but 2 I LOVE: allopurinol and Lipitor.
zip2play said:
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Allopurinol stops us from turning all those purines into uric acid so it MIGHT be a different story from probenecid. But it seems likely the net result would be the same.
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Thanks, Zip. Allopurinol is going to be a topic of discussion when I see my rheumatologist on July 1.
hansinnm said:
“dried beans, pulses, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, asparagus, oatmeal…”
Are you still eating all those vegies without any “gout effects” ? Please, Utubelite, let me know. I am ready to ring all those people's neck who have kept me fom eating those healthy vegies.
I am not on Allo, but on Probenecid.
Get wringing Hans,
Choi exposed the vegetable purine myth in 2004. There are a couple of interesting purine studies related to gout. The earlier study is pretty deep, but explains that there are different types of purines. The Choi study failed to find any links between vegetables and gout, and from what I've seen, most professional advice has been updated on this. I guess I should check what my doctor is saying on this now, as I got similar advice to restrict those vegetables when first diagnosed about 10 years ago (i.e. 4 years Before Choi).
I still cannot find any studies explaining specifically why this is the case, though there are hints in the milk studies that protein intake might act like a natural probenecid, encouraging uric acid/purine excretion.
So there's mush room for improvement with your diet (sorry
)Following the above, I just checked for more recent stuff, and see that Choi has published a review this year. His summary makes good reading:
Lifestyle and dietary recommendations for gout patients should consider overall health benefits and risk, since gout is often associated with the metabolic syndrome and an increased future risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD) and mortality. Weight reduction with daily exercise and limiting intake of red meat and sugary beverages would help reduce uric acid levels, the risk of gout, insulin resistance, and comorbidities. Heavy drinking should be avoided, whereas moderate drinking, sweet fruits, and seafood intake, particularly oily fish, should be tailored to the individual, considering their anticipated health benefits against CVD. Dairy products, vegetables, nuts, legumes, fruits (less sugary ones), and whole grains are healthy choices for the comorbidities of gout and may also help prevent gout by reducing insulin resistance. Coffee and vitamin C supplementation could be considered as preventive measures as these can lower urate levels, as well as the risk of gout and some of its comorbidities.
Thankfully this leaves me to apply my own interpretation of heavy and moderate.
Coffee and vitamin C supplementation could be considered as preventive measures as these can lower urate levels
Personal experience: I was drinking almost 2 Liters of strong coffee for 40 years and 2 or 3 GRAMS of Vitamin C per day (for a couple years before deciding Linus Pailing was a total whack-job) before I developed the worst gout attack on record…not having met Henry VIII!
AND I developed coronary artery disease somewhere along the way.
A friend avoided the coffee but took 2 grams of Vitamin C for 20 years. He developed gout and died of a heart attack.
I hope Mr. Choi has better luck.
For the record and for what it is worth: Vitamin C, ascorbic acid, is a VERY potent urine acidifier.
GoutPal said:
…Get wringing Hans,…
Thank you, GP, for your comments.
I am not sure if I have enough hands and years to accomplish all my wringing. I have added all those I have talked to and the ones I haven't yet who are suckings on the tits ( and I don't know how many there are) of taxpayers by having a cushening job with Social Security.
hansinnm said:
Utubelite said:?
The only thing which caused very little money but huge separation of pain and swelling was Allopurinol and Colchicine combo.
Since that time, I do not care about any other gout care product?I think it is more taxing on mind than helping. I actually have been testing myself by eating whatever is Gout prohibited ? dried beans, pulses, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, asparagus, oatmeal?and I have been eating them a lot for last 6 weeks, every meal generally has one of these prohibited items?and also lamb on few occasions in addition to these items?.so far it has been good, no flareups or twinges?let’s hope it stays same way. I am taking 300 mg Allopurinol a day and I think it is helping to keep gout away?
?dried beans, pulses, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, asparagus, oatmeal??
Are you still eating all those vegies without any ?gout effects? ? Please, Utubelite, let me know. I am ready to ring all those people’s neck who have kept me fom eating those healthy vegies.
I am not on Allo, but on Probenecid.
hansinnm,
Yes, I am on full dose of all so called prohibited vegies…it is now many months and everyday, my 70% plus food is madeup of such items. So far, there seems to be no issue.
Utubelite said:
hansinnm,
Yes, I am on full dose of all so called prohibited vegies…it is now many months and everyday, my 70% plus food is madeup of such items. So far, there seems to be no issue.
Thank you so much, Utubelite. You added lots of sunshine to my days ahead.
A word of warning about mushroom biomass supplements e.g. cordyceps & reishi (anti-viral/immune system boosters). I took MRL reishi powder supplement last summer for hayfever with spectacular results; this year, I switched to cordyceps and started recording SUA levels of 10.7.
I stopped and started again just to make sure, dropping down to 6.4 almost immediately and then back up to 10.7 when I started taking it again. Don't know if reishi is as bad, because I wasn't testing SUA at the time, but I'm not in any hurry to find out. I'm thinking of writing to MLR to see if they're interested in my theory and whether they've ever measured the purine content of their product ( I reckon it must be up there with sweetbreads etc.
).Don't think I'm going to be eating any fresh mushrooms in future either
(at least not until I'm taking AlloP)
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