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Read about Vitamine D ad its influence on gout. Draw your own conclusions.
I work outdoors in the sun. I got an attack last August that put me in the hospital and out of work for almost 8 months. I don’t think my problem was vitamin D, I think it was a high SUA level.
Richard Bell said:
I work outdoors in the sun. I got an attack last August that put me in the hospital and out of work for almost 8 months. I don’t think my problem was vitamin D, I think it was a high SUA level.
Richard, Vitamin D does NOT cause gout, it fights it.
Quote: “SICK? WELL? … SUNBATHING HELPS YOU AND EVERYONE
By Dr. Bernarr, D.C. D.D.
SUNBATHING DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER OF THE SKIN NOR WRINKLES.
SUNBATHING HELPS HEAL CANCER OF THE SKIN.
…Sunbathing helps heal the following, in alphabetical order: Genitalia, Gas Gangrene, Gangrene, Gout, Goiter, Gun-Shot Wounds, Glycogen Storage Increase In Liver & Muscles
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If you had a high SUA, (how high?), you are probably right that your gout attack was related to your uric acid level.
It may seem a long way round to the issue, but vitamin D is produced from chlorestrol in the skin by sunlight. Build up of this fatty compound , esp. if underutilised, can restrict arteries and thus increase blood pressure- a known risk for gout!
Vit D is important for health and many are reportedly quite low in it, in the northern latitudes
I always feel better after some sun- but am far from a sun worshipper, having a sensitivity to it.
We all have choices. I had a skin cancer removed from my face 2 years ago, and 3 months ago had “something else” removed from my face, not skin cancer, though, just skin damage from the sun, the surgeon said. I run from the sun, and really shield myself from strong rays. So, I'm not ready to buy in to the sun's benefits to gout. But if it works for others, fine!
Goutgal said:
We all have choices. I had a skin cancer removed from my face 2 years ago, and 3 months ago had “something else” removed from my face, not skin cancer, though, just skin damage from the sun, the surgeon said. I run from the sun, and really shield myself from strong rays. So, I'm not ready to buy in to the sun's benefits to gout. But if it works for others, fine!
Trev is correct, however, there is more to it than meets the eye. One should never expose the unprotected skin to direct sunlight during the day when the UV factor is greater than 2. A lot depends on an individual's disposition to the sun. Some can tolerate direct sun exposure better than others and there is no gadget or ways (to my knowledge) that will tell a person where the limits are.
I have exposed my body to sunlight for the last 75 years and never had a problem except for sunburns which I contracted almost regularly as a kid. If one takes the time to slowly get the skin used to the sun the effects are not as serious.
I may have mentioned in another post that I am presently engaged in “sun gazing” and have passed the 26 minute direct sun-to-eyes exposure. All is being done during the first or the last hour of sunrise/sunset when the UV factor is less than 2. So far no damage encountered to my eyes or skin. My far sight has improved to the point where I don't need my glasses anymore and my near sight seems to be improving, too. I'll have my eyes checked by a doctor when the cycle is completed after 45 minutes.
However, again, what one person can do, another may not be able to do.
As I said in my first post: Each person has to draw his/her own conclusion regarding the benefits of vitamin D and sun exposure.
This is an interesting discussion. The vitamin D found in the pill bottle is Cholecalciferol. I read all these studies done on pubmed.org and was convinced it had to be great even though this is actually a poison–rat, I think. Anyway, I'm just about finished after a month of agony from a flare up in my right foot and have just about gone crazy trying to figure out how I did this to myself again–havent had a flare up in years. Last time I was overdosing on sardines. This same time I had developed flu symptoms and started doubling up on the already 5,000 iu's of vitamin D—sure enough not only am I sick as a dog but I wanna die from the gout! Thank you for bringing this to my attention!!!!! Also, anyone with sensitivity to the sun check out astaxanthin!!! Do a search for ” Astaxanthin, King of the Carotenoids” it's a book they have on a pdf file you can download for free and even though it's a little dated '06 I think, it is really great—there's a ton of positive studies on pubmed.org also. They positively claim you want have sun problems again!! It's way cheap also from nutritiongeeks.com. (It also naturally occurs in Krill Oil) but it's twice as much $.
Thank You, Thank You
did I mention I really appreciate finding this out???
Interesting link – but heavy on the book sales! The right one to have is D3 (I limit to 1000 iu) and there certainly are many ways to get vits [cheap and cheerful? -or 'thought through'], which I take on and off, daily.
I make sure I don't oversubscribe any of them. the only supplement that I keep to daily is Omega3, high quality -from the US.
If in the middle of an attack- the last thing one needs is a overactive immune system, tbh !
It's been stressed here, many times, that good dietary balance is important and the same goes for Vitamin supplements- the best quality are far from cheap but usually worth the cost and research.
It's been noted that heavy doses of Vits [like C in particular] can make the body lazy and stop it synthesizing its own needs properly.
It seems here is a case to support moderation on Vit D use and gout-
Bear in mind that tanning is the bodys' self regulation to prevent over production, naturally occuring via the skin.
trev said:
..The right one to have is D3…
I make sure I don't oversubscribe any of them. the only supplement that I keep to daily is Omega3, high quality -from the US.
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It's been stressed here, many times, that good dietary balance is important and the same goes for Vitamin supplements- the best quality are far from cheap but usually worth the cost and research.
Very true. One has to look very closely at the fine print to recognize which are the real McCoys and which are filled with cheap fillers.
It's been noted that heavy doses of Vits [like C in particular] can make the body lazy and stop it synthesizing its own needs properly.
Just like feeding the birds in the summer when they should find their food in the wild instead of from human hands.
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Trev to the rescue again!!!
There are two vitamin D's: D2 and D3, with D3 being the better one. I suggest that anyone interested in vitamin D google vitamin D2 and D3.
Hans- this Vit D thing is being mentioned a lot lately.
Mercola is very strong on it being low in most people- but he does stress the testing of personal levels.
I don't think this is cheap or easy, as there are 'ways' and 'ways of doing this test correctly' as can easily give misleading readings.
I would dearly like to know if my levels are correct- but the NHS in the UK is not very hot on the body assaying tests that is far more common in the US, for instance.
As it's 'free', GPs are not keen here to overload with the 'worried well' – until they become the VERY worried sick, that is.
PS: I think the main danger for cancer risk is severe over exposure to sun -even years earlier in childhood & can have bad effects, much later on -and naturally, not be traceable by then.
If one suffers from SAD (seasonal depression) then I would suspect low Vit D levels, too.
trev said:
Hans- this Vit D thing is being mentioned a lot lately.
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I know, Trev, that's why I started this link. However, as I have said several times, the individual needs to decide him/herself on the merits of any and all information provided by what ever means.
I, mysef, don't take any vitamin D, whatsoever. My sun exposure through sungazing, sailing, and walking here in New Mexico, with 300+ days of sunshine gives me all the vitamin D I ever need.
Anything that begins with a line like this:
This information-packed article by Dr. Bernarr shares the remarkable discoveries of over a dozen health care practitioners throughout medical history, including Dr. Herbert Shelton, Dr. C. W. Saleeby, Arnold Rickli, Bernarr McFadden, Hippocrates. Part 1 of this article teaches that only sunburn has been shown to cause skin cancer, while proper sunbathing will heal skin cancer and remove wrinkles. Included is a list of over 50 health conditions that are improved by proper sunbathing.
SICK? WELL? … SUNBATHING HELPS YOU AND EVERYONE
is quackery, plain and simple.
The writer is a jackass…or more likely a crook or BOTH!
Dr. Bernarr – wow, I hope English isn't his first language! It does come across as some 'As Seen on TV!' article.
I just saw my GP today. Good visit. He said that he got back from a workshop and that Vitamin D was a big converstation topic. He said that the benefits of getting your RDA+ (he did mention 1,000 iu) of Vitamin D 'may' have some benefit for gout but nothing is solid as of now. He said I should at least try it, mainly as a mood booster, since I'm dealing with not only gout but some other problems that have me constantly living in pain. It's worth a shot. He also did say I should get D3 as it is better.
I probably do need a little more Vitamin D in my diet anyway. Because I have been so hobbled the past year, I don't get out nearly as much as I used to. Also, when I do get out, well, I'm in Germany. Not exactly a place known for sunbathing and nice weather!
Nate- Good to get feedback on this..
If you do go for Vit D, then try to get one without magnesium stearate in it.
I checked mine [D3] and there it was- a form of chalk, to make the manufacture easier, not my health.
The majority of my meds have it too, which I can't avoid taking. I doubt the Dr would be bothered by fillers/additives in drugs- they are a magic bullet these days.
Mercola article here has a good take on the subject : http://articles.mercola.com/si…..ealth.aspx
Comments there say that Mag. Stearate is heavily in chocolate and large amounts have no effect -but I noticed a re- occurrence of persistent mild stomach ache [I'm due an Xray soon] not long after eating some last night, after some days free of gripe -after stopping two meds with it [MgSt] in. [Yep, – those fave 2]
It has only just registered with me now -I had my suspicions, back then![both the meds and chocs]
Makes one wonder, rather! I wonder if it will show any effects of use on the X-ray?
The sad part is that it could be easily left out- but would make manufacture harder.
Later : Further info on-line clarifies that the body can break the stuff down, but it forms a sort of soap in the gut- so enhanced transport through is rather likely!
It's a lubricant, after all.
Another factor is that it appears to be produced as a form of fatty acid that is not good for the body, as a diet. It is also on the US code of Hazardous transport materials in bulk … well- I hate to be over nervous but it pays to check, sometimes!
I've closed the link to this added data, but if anyone want I can search back.
[Had to change browsers again!]
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