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“……there is strong evidence to show that the husk of beans reduces the amount of available iron.”
Based on the above and after referring to GoutPal's write up on Uric Acid & Iron, Getting rid of iron improves gout and Gout And Anthocyanins I have come to a realisation that black beans is more than merely “relieving severe gout pains”.
Putting one and one together – The anthocyanin in the husk of black beans is effective in relieving pain and inflammation coupled with its iron chelating effect of reducing the available iron in our system (which in turn prevents the production of uric acid) – my conclusion is that these combined efficacies of black beans should make it an effective “remedy for gout”?
Again, the best way to prevent gout attacks is to reduce our intake of food that are rich in iron. Otherwise, we will have no choice but to seek remedies (medical or natural) to suppress the horrible pain and inflammation caused by gout and to curb the formation of uric acid in our system through prolonged or lifelong use of drugs.
We do have a choice!
Thank you Keith. I am learning more from you again.
It had never dawned on me that those “Chineses black beans” I used are “black soybeans” (Glycine max) and that they and not “turtle black beans”, (phaseolus) from Latin America. All along, I thought that black beans and soybeans are two distinctly different types of beans. Now I know that all beans from China are soybeans (Glycine max) and they are named according to their colours, e.g black soybeans, yellow soybeans, green soybeans (usually sold fresh), etc.
I went on to read up more about China black soybean and that's what I found:
“Black Soybeans Glycine max are the best edible soybean. They offer all of the nourishment of yellow soybeans ………, including the isoflavone nutrients genistein, daidzein, and glycetein.”
Now I can be more certain that it is the hull or skin of the black beans (both Glycine max or Phaseolus) that is effective in relieving gout pains and swelling. In other words, it is the “anthocyanins” that work.
“This is not the same bean used in oriental cuisines. Fermented black beans are made with black soybeans.” – Quotation from Gout Pal Work in Progress – Gout And Anthocyanins [Admin edit: obsolete link removed].
Fermented black beans used in oriental cuisines are known as “douchi”. They are fermented and salted soya beans. The fermenting and salting process turns the bean black and soft. It is a flavouring very popularly used in chinese cuisine. It is also used to make black bean sauce.
Black bean broth is actually a Taiwanese home remedy for severe gout. The black beans I used are “Products of China”, which are larger than the black turtle beans. The seed coats of both are the same -“black”. The only differences are : The black turtle beans are smaller and their skin are shiny, while the China black beans are bigger and their skin are dull.
Both are available at our grocery stores. One thing I observed, though, is that when I boiled the smaller shiny black turtle beans there was a layer of “something” floating on top of the broth. Not sure what it was, but I thought it could be some kind of “wax” from the “shiny” bean coat.
I have tried both and they are equally effective.
GoutPal,
At 51 you are at your prime! Keep up with your good work!!!!
Kvalhion,
The colour of the broth may not look too good – purplish black, but the taste isn't bad at all. If you wish to have it with your big steak, you could consider adding a little bit of seasoning and salt to make your meal taste better and enjoy it. There are many other ways to prepare black bean soup, if you like (you can find them in the internet).
“I wonder.. if the black bean broth helps inhibit iron” – Admin. is working on it and will let us know more about that
Hi,
Whatever I said above are also from the bottom of my heart!
Old man???? I am 64, zip2play is 65. May I know how old you are?
GoutPal.com is indeed a “True Friend” in need.
Here is where I find lots of friendly people sharing and discussing almost everything about gout, – unreservedly and unconditionally. I would accord credit to our Administrator, Keith who sets stringent guidelines, standards and expectations for all who are interested in joining this forum.
I am glad that I have found such a creditable forum website as Gout Pal Interactive. My intention was to “share” and nothing more. Now, I begin to realise that I am also “receiving” – benefitting a great deal from fellow friendly gout pals’ sharing of experiences, knowledge, and their sincere involvement and commitment in discussions related to gout.
Being an Educationist by profession I am not too familiar with medicine and many other medical or biological terms. But now my limited knowledge has been considerably enhanced and enriched, especially with regards to GOUT and many other facts and information related to it. Much of the things I learnt from Gout Pal are profound and they help to widen my perspective and open my mind.
To quote Shakespeare (Merchant of Venice) with a slight slant:–
“The quality of sharing (mercy) is not strained. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven, it is twice blessed. It blesses him who gives and him who takes………”
That is exactly how I feel about Gout Pal Interactive – by sharing (giving) I am also taking back a lot in return.
Thank you Keith and all Gout Pal Friends.
Metamorph
Hi Gary,
During an actual gout attack, I usually take two doses of BBB to make sure. That is, I boiled two batches of 200gms (7oz) of black beans. My weekly dose of BBB is taken more leisurely, as I drink smaller amounts each time and enjoy it just like any other beverages. A relative of mine, an architect in Australia, who tried BBB successfully suggested drinking BBB daily as we do with “tea” or “coffee”. He is doing it himself and has not had any relapse of gout attacks again so far.
Black beans have other other efficacies and health benefits. The only caution is that as with all other beans, it is a gout causing food too. That's the reason why we take only the broth and discard the beans. You can read up more about black beans at the following link : http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=2#healthbenefits .
I tried ACV too but my stomach could not take too much of it as it is acidic.
Cheers!!!
Hi Steve,
Good for you! I am very glad BBB has worked for you too.
Do take care of your diet if you do not want next attack to come soon. As GoutPal had constantly advised – we need not give up all the good things in life, but “Everything in moderation“!
Hi Zip,
Thanks for your concern.
My uric acid number is always within the acceptable level – below 6. My health is absolutely fine as I do not suffer from any serious ailments and therefore not on any long term medication.
When my gout attacks first started a few years ago the doc. I consulted told me it was “bunion”. I disagreed with him but he still insisted it was. Anyway, he prescribed NSAID to relieve the pain and it did work. A couple of months later, I had another gout attack toe and heel pains together. Same prescription of NSAID, and this time he suggested referring me to the Orthopaedic Specialist.
I visited the Orthopaedic Specialist the next day. He looked at my big toe and asked me about my heel pain and then prescribed Bengay, a pain relieving cream. He believed that my heel pain was caused “heel spurs” due to ill-fitting shoes, so he referred me to the podiatrist in the same hospital. Despite all the fuss, my toes and heel were none the better. Every now and then the same problems came back on and off.
I was frustrated and fed up. I gave up on the doctors who did not seem to have any inkling about “gout”. So, I resorted to finding ways to heal myself. I surfed the web and read up alot about almost everything about leg pains, toe pains, heel pains, etc………. I tried many things – orthotics, which is about proper supports for foot arches, and it helped to solve my heel pain problem; cider vinegar, for my painful toes, but my stomach could not take too much acid. Finally, I found black bean broth and was amazed how fast it relieved me of my pains and swellings. Whenever, my gout attacks recurred bbb prevented them from getting worse.
From close monitoring and reflections I realised that it was my “unhealth meat diet” that caused my gout attacks. I tried to avoid taking too much meat but to no avail as the temptation of those delicious and mouth watering dishes of roast, grilled, broiled meat, were too hard to resist. With bbb I am able to enjoy my favourite “food”. But now I do so in moderation.
As I had mentioned before, bbb is a very effect relief for gout pains but not a cure for gout.
I halted another gout attack on its track with bbb!!!!
Last weekend, I had several sumptuous meals with lots of meat. The following Monday I could feel the discomfort around my right big toe setting in. I was not too worried because my wife got my dose of bbb ready.
The discomfort intensified and I felt the pain creeping in. I had one “big gulp” (about16 oz). Even as I had finished my “big gulp” the area around my right big toe was swelling and turning red. The pain was getting worse. I suppose, the bbb needed some time to get into my blood stream to do its “job”. After about an hour later I took another “gulp”. Slowly but surely, I could feel the pain, followed by the swelling diminishing. 5 hours later my big toe was back to normal, though the discomfort was still felt. I had a good night’s sleep.
My house manager (wife), who prepared the bbb just told me that she used 200gm (approx. 7 oz) of black beans not 150gm as I had mentioned earlier. She also suggested using a TIMER, otherwise we could forget and end up with burnt beans. If you have any further clarifications or suggestions please feel free to do so.
I do understand that many people are having reservations about black bean for gout pains because all beans are known to cause gouts.
At first I had my reservations too. I did my own research and read up a lot more about black beans, anthocyanins, etc. It was only when I was quite sure that black bean broth will not do me any harm and with due consideration of its other numerous health benefits that I decided to give it a try. I am very glad I did!!
I am 64 now and my health is almost perfect. I said “almost” because I do have an occasional, headache, flu, and other minor illnesses, etc but I have no major ailments. Therefore, I am not on any drugs or long term medications. In fact, I am averse to drugs because of their known negative side effects. They could also “mess up” the normal functioning of our body, e.g. kidney, liver, heart……etc. and cause other serious problems.
I am a very active person and I take good care of my health the “NATURAL” way – through healthy living such as exercises, healthy past times, martial arts and meditation. I have one weakness though, and that is I enjoy “good food”, which happen to be high in purine. Perhaps, that’s how I gout my attacks. I was desperate when I was afflicted by gout attacks because it disrupted my life terribly.
Now I am still as fit as a fiddle. The occasional gout attacks (due to my love for “good food” which I am still unable to resist completely) do not worry me much because I have black beans on standby. In fact, I am able to keep the gout attacks at bay by taking black bean broth regularly – once a week. I drink only the broth and discard all the beans.
Steve,
They are the same. I had consulted docs myself and was prescribed NSAIDs which were quite effective in relieving my gout pains and inflammation. However, I was concerned about their other side effects. I prefer the natural way to cure my ailments, if I could help it. Black beans worked very well for me without side effects and I hope i will work for others too.
Yes, we would like to know how well iit works for you. So, do keep us posted.
Cheers,
Metamorph
Black bean broth is the most wonderful thing I have found for my gout problems. My life is so much better without having to suffer and bear with those excruciating gout pains.
So far, those people very close to me had tried and it worked for them too. That’s why I was very eager to share it with as many others as possible who are going through the same agony and torture of gout pains.
I can’t help wondering just how many of those who viewed this post had tried black bean broth to relief their gout pains, and whether it is effective for them too. I wish to reiterate that it is a very fast and effective “relief” for severe pains and inflammation caused by gout, but not a “cure” for gout.
If you have tried “black bean broth” do share with us whether it had worked for you too. Even if it had not work for you, your honest feedback will certainly be appreciated.
One very important point about black beans is that it is a very effective relief for severe gout pains but not a cure for gout. Prevention is always better than cure! The best way to avoid having gout attacks is still to refrain from taking too much purine-rich food – food that will increase the uric acid in our blood. These are already discussed in detail in this “gout forum”.
Recent research shows that black beans are rich in antioxidant compounds, in particular anthocyanins, found in the skin of black beans. In the course of inflammation, enzymes damage connective tissue in capillaries, causing blood to leak into surrounding tissues. Oxidants are released and further damage blood-vessel walls. Anthocyanins protect in several ways. First, they neutralize enzymes that destroy connective tissue. Second, their antioxidant capacity prevents oxidants from damaging connective tissue. Finally, they repair damaged proteins in the blood-vessel walls. Animal experiments have shown that supplementation with anthocyanins effectively prevents inflammation and subsequent blood-vessel damage.
One very important point about black beans is that it is an effective relief for severe gout pains but not a cure for gout”. Prevention is always better than cure! The best way to avoid having gout attacks is still to abstain from too much purine-rich food – food that will increase the uric acid in our blood. These are already discussed in detail in this “gout forum”.
Recent research shows that black beans are rich in antioxidant compounds, in particular anthocyanins, found in the skin of black beans. In the course of inflammation, enzymes damage connective tissue in capillaries, causing blood to leak into surrounding tissues. Oxidants are released and further damage blood-vessel walls. Anthocyanins protect in several ways. First, they neutralize enzymes that destroy connective tissue. Second, their antioxidant capacity prevents oxidants from damaging connective tissue. Finally, they repair damaged proteins in the blood-vessel walls. Animal experiments have shown that supplementation with anthocyanins effectively prevents inflammation and subsequent blood-vessel damage.
I know that black cherry juice, etc (which all contain anthocyanins) can eliminate uric acid from the blood and is much more effective than some commonly prescribed gout medication which merely stops the production of more uric acid in the liver. But they can also be very damaging to the liver, and liver damage is the origin of gout in the first place in many people (or kidney damage in others).
From personal experience, my gout pains did come back every now and then when I became complacent and pampered myself with lots of my “favourite food” – red meat, mussles, and other purine-rich food. But, I am not too worried now. Whenever, I feel the “pain” coming on, I would quickly make some black bean broth and gulp them down. Within hours I could feel the pain diminishing as quickly as it came.
This amazing black bean remedy takes only a few hours to eliminate the crystals from the joints, but the damage to the joints may take up to two days to heal. It would be good to prepare some of this black bean broth and freeze it in the fridge just in case we need it in another sudden gout attack. Because of its efficacies and other health benefits we could also drink it regularly as a beverage. Black beans are cheap and easily available. I have tried varying proportions of black beans and water; and boiling time. So far, 1.5gm of black beans in 2 litres of water and boiling it in slow fire for at least 1½ hour gave me the best result. Drink the broth and discard the beans.
Black beans is the best thing that I discovered from the internet, so far. It really worked like “magic” for me. But I also wondered, when I scoured the NET, why not much was mentioned about “black beans” as a cure/relief for gout since it is so effective. Is it because it's a “bean”, and beans are known to cause gout, so nobody would even bother to try it at all?
Since this “wonderful little black bean” has worked for me and cured/relieved my gout pains I am happy to share it with all others who are enduring or suffering terrible gout pains.
Some of my friends have asked me – “Why don't you take this opportunity to make lots of $$$$$$$$, by re-packaging my “black bean cure” and put up an advertistment to publicise and promote it?”. Well, to me $$$$ is not “everything” in life and I am not going to make money out of others' agony or sufferings.
zip2play,
It's not the “soaking liquid”, but the broth that is to be taken. Yes I do believe that since you are on medication everyday it would relieve you of you pain.
At first was on medication too (NSAID) whenever I had a gout attack and it helped. But, very often the pain came back whenever I eat too much red meat and other purine rich food, which I had difficulty abstaining from. I have an aversion for drugs because of other side effects they might cause.
I tried apple cider vinegar, which worked fine for many people, but my stomach could not take too much “acid” and I used to get diarrhoea from it.
My relative in Australia suffered from gout pains for many years and was on medication to relieve his pains until he tried black bean drinks. He is a very happy that he has not got another gout attack so far. He is taking black bean drinks regularly.
Researchers have discovered that black beans are loaded with antioxidant compounds, especially “anthocyanins”. Black beans do not cost much and it's natural. So, why not just try the black bean broth the way I prepared it before your gout pains ever come back. Hopefully, you might not need any medication after that – and save $$$$.
I am also fully aware that gout pains have a lot do do with what we eat. As I had mentioned earlier I love eating – all kinds of “good” or “bad” food. Now I can still indulge in and enjoy my favourite food, because I take black bean broth regularly. Of course, I am mindful of my other aspects of health and well-being and eat in moderation.
Mark,
A very simple and effective remedy to relief gout pains is “black bean” broth. I tried it myself and had recommended to relatives who found it effective in relieving gout pains.
You may be surprised and wonder, “why beans?” because they are known to cause gout. But, it really worked for me. Perhaps, it is the “anthocyanins” in the skin of the black beans that works.
Boil 150gm of black beans in 2 litres of water for one and a half hours in slow fire. Discard the beans and drink only the broth, which is purplish black in colour.
I have tried almost any natural remedies recommended and I find black bean broth to be the most effective.
