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Hello Guys & Girls, I not had time to get in here for a while, but have been reading the posts! You guys are getting me confused with these different types of beans!:cry: My bags just say Black Beans – Product of Thailand…(Same Met found) … but I don’t know if they are Soy Beans or not… What I do know that they work…but also I agree with Met’s comment it is “mind over matter sometimes”… But this week I have “overdosed on Chicken” three times, (Pork never seems to bother me) … & feeling it now…albeit low level … but after several weeks of no swelling or throbbing/ twinges… it’s crying… I’m baaaaaack! I have to say with the diverse ethnic population of the UK, they are so hard to find there… perhaps it depends on the different regions? I certainly don’t remember them as a child growing up there. I know my American friends here are familiar with them in the US of A… as just Black Beans, but using them as American versions of Mexican dishes I think. My last few batches have included chopped up ginger root, I put in while simmering, it certainly gives more a kick to the finished juice!:smile:

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It’s interesting about the water thing, I’m sure I read somewhere in this forum that it is high on the list of “flushers”.

For some reason the pages take so long to download, it makes it a little frustrating to navigate…

I find that during the cool season here (23c to 30c 😆 yes that is cool! November to March) I am drinking about 1/2 the amount of water, than I do in the hot season.

Drinking water comes in 20 litre containers, & I am getting 20 litres a week now where as 40 litres per week later… so easy to know how much one consumes…each week & this includes coffee & tea etc.

Juliana: I guess we are all “guinea pigs” with what’s good or not. I just found that lentils to make Dal, & fish, is not good… almost instant swelling & jabbing in both feet:cry: Nice taste..but…

Now in search of PH paper… I suspect one of the pharmacies will have it… we are having a bit of monsoon rain today, so will have to wait until tomorrow!

[Thaijim]

Sorry to hear hubby is not doing so well Juliana!

It’s interesting some of you seem to find the task of this BBB tastes so bad! Even with my latest batches which I have not rinsed as I was doing before, I find not that bad.

As Met pointed out it is more “murky” than my previous rinsed batches & other than the “touting” problem of the stronger batch, I still don’t find the taste that offensive… perhaps my taste buds have gone south!:wink:

But gulping down a glass full first thing in the morning, then depending on “twinges” during the day… I take more…. on an as need basis.

I suppose for those who don’t like it, one could hold there nose & gulp it down! 😮

I find that occasionally when I gulp down diluted Apple cider vinegar as a “substitute” when no BBB, that is much harder to take!:cry:..but that seems to work too… even baking soda, but try to avoid that one, if possible.

I’ve not tried using it for cooking with either… not sure if I could dream up recipes to do that:lol: But I like the cold version, from the pitcher in the fridge!

I suppose I am lucky that my BP is always in a “normal range”…

I am curious to know how or what is used to measure alkalinity…?

Jim

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To Juliana!

I am sure the Honey moon couple will have other things on their minds,:lol:

But perhaps if they brought one bag back, then you can see what they look like…. & compare! All stores seem to carry them here, at least on Koh Samui…. I’d imagine the same in most places here… certainly BKK…. they are about 50 p a kilogram.

I don’t think it would be considered a “restricted item” to bring back to UK….

Jim

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Try again with the whole post I hope…??? sorry but this glitch should be fixed… it’s too time consuming!:frown: Hi everyone, I see a couple of new “faces” here… Hello to Juliana & Britman! I had too many visitors from the “cold white north” visiting lately, so have not had time to post my progress although have been reading the comments! It has been interesting reading though. I had been rinsing the beans after the initial boil... but since reading Mets post that he does not, so when I made the last batch I left to simmer for about the 90 minutes… ….but found that the …. um er …. rather loud “winds” come at unexpected & embarrassing moments! and I am not finding much difference in the effect in keeping swelling down… or “tingles” either…. Tonight I finished my left over Indian chicken curry from yesterday which is a bad offender for me…(Chicken that is…. but too good to throw out) & with in an hour of eating it, this evening, my right foot is throbbing away! The last of this “full strength” batch of BBB will be finished in the morning… so a new batch tomorrow… I am wondering which way to go, for the next batch…..since the rinsed beans (after initial boil) seem to work for me… without the after effects of…. wind! Interesting, Britman’s comments on feeding the beans to dogs, it gives me memories of growing up (in the UK BTW) of a neighbours dog that was shall we say “quite smelly” … from flatulence! They even called the dog “Wiff”… Drinking American beer too … quite unforgivable! Now, I missed out the ginger on my last batch, since an expat American neighbour wanted the left over beans to make tacos or something… But I must admit the I liked the extra tang the ginger gives… I suppose I should pick a few hot chillies & try that too… although have to say that, I don’t find BBB by it’s self medicinal tasting at all. The interesting part of chillies is that they are pretty staple in just about every thing cooked here… and that the Thai natives suffering from gout is fairly common… Although not using BBB… of course, even though I been trying to get my neighbour to do… but I don’t think he’s convinced yet! but he has been inconsistent… in using it… I finding the regular doses are generally controlling swelling & stabbings… Therefore to me at least, it is now a routine, “staple” rather than taking any pills. The last Lasix pills I took, did not seem to help anyway…. But I suppose different a bit for everyone… It surprises me, that Trev cannot find the Black Beans, I think it was Juliana who said Sainsbury’s had them… Here they have Tesco Chains…Both are all over UK aren’t they? (been forty years since I lived there…)Surprised they would not have there too?… just about every thing seems to be so global these days? Jim

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Hi everyone,

I see a couple of new “faces” here… Hello to Juliana & Britman!

I had too many visitors from the “cold white north” visiting lately, so have not had time to post my progress although have been reading the comments!

It has been interesting reading though.

I had been rinsing the beans after the initial boil... but since reading Mets post that he does not, so when I made the last batch I left to simmer for about the 90 minutes…

….but found that the …. um er …. rather loud “winds” come at unexpected & embarrassing moments! and I am not finding much difference in the effect in keeping swelling down… or “tingles” either….

Tonight I finished my left over Indian chicken curry from yesterday which is a bad offender for me…(Chicken that is…. but too good to throw out) & with in an hour of eating it, this evening, my right foot is throbbing away!

The last of this “full strength” batch of BBB will be finished in the morning… so a new batch tomorrow… I am wondering which way to go, for the next batch…..since the rinsed beans (after initial boil) seem to work for me… without the after effects of…. wind!

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I just lost half my post, whist editing….this is very tedious… third time it has happened… I am going to paste my whole post here again & see if it shows up, so there may be a part double post… Hi everyone, I see a couple of new “faces” here… Hello to Juliana & Britman! I had too many visitors from the “cold white north” visiting lately, so have not had time to post my progress although have been reading the comments! It has been interesting reading though. I had been rinsing the beans after the initial boil... but since reading Mets post that he does not, so when I made the last batch I left to simmer for about the 90 minutes… ….but found that the …. um er …. rather loud “winds” come at unexpected & embarrassing moments! and I am not finding much difference in the effect in keeping swelling down… or “tingles” either…. Tonight I finished my left over Indian chicken curry from yesterday which is a bad offender for me…(Chicken that is…. but too good to throw out) & with in an hour of eating it, this evening, my right foot is throbbing away! The last of this “full strength” batch of BBB will be finished in the morning… so a new batch tomorrow… I am wondering which way to go, for the next batch…..since the rinsed beans (after initial boil) seem to work for me… without the after effects of…. wind! Interesting, Britman’s comments on feeding the beans to dogs, it gives me memories of growing up (in the UK BTW) of a neighbours dog that was shall we say “quite smelly” … from flatulence! They even called the dog “Wiff”… Drinking American beer too … quite unforgivable! Now, I missed out the ginger on my last batch, since an expat American neighbour wanted the left over beans to make tacos or something… But I must admit the I liked the extra tang the ginger gives… I suppose I should pick a few hot chillies & try that too… although have to say that, I don’t find BBB by it’s self medicinal tasting at all. The interesting part of chillies is that they are pretty staple in just about every thing cooked here… and that the Thai natives suffering from gout is fairly common… Although not using BBB… of course, even though I been trying to get my neighbour to do… but I don’t think he’s convinced yet! but he has been inconsistent… in using it… I finding the regular doses are generally controlling swelling & stabbings… Therefore to me at least, it is now a routine, “staple” rather than taking any pills. The last Lasix pills I took, did not seem to help anyway…. But I suppose different a bit for everyone… It surprises me, that Trev cannot find the Black Beans, I think it was Juliana who said Sainsbury’s had them… Here they have Tesco Chains…Both are all over UK aren’t they? (been forty years since I lived there…)Surprised they would not have there too?… just about every thing seems to be so global these days? Jim

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Hi everyone, I see a couple of new “faces” here… Hello to Juliana & Britman! I had too many visitors from the “cold white north” visiting lately, so have not had time to post my progress although have been reading the comments! It has been interesting reading though. I had been rinsing the beans after the initial boil... but since reading Mets post that he does not, so when I made the last batch I left to simmer for about the 90 minutes… ….but found that the …. um er …. rather loud “winds” come at unexpected & embarrassing moments! and I am not finding much difference in the effect in keeping swelling down… or “tingles” either…. Tonight I finished my left over Indian chicken curry from yesterday which is a bad offender for me…(Chicken that is…. but too good to throw out) & with in an hour of eating it, this evening, my right foot is throbbing away! The last of this “full strength” batch of BBB will be finished in the morning… so a new batch tomorrow… I am wondering which way to go, for the next batch…..since the rinsed beans (after initial boil) seem to work for me… without the after effects of…. wind! Interesting, Britman’s comments on feeding the beans to dogs, it gives me memories of growing up (in the UK BTW) of a neighbours dog that was shall we say “quite smelly” … from flatulence! They even called the dog “Wiff”… Drinking American beer too … quite unforgivable! Now, I missed out the ginger on my last batch, since an expat American neighbour wanted the left over beans to make tacos or something… But I must admit the I liked the extra tang the ginger gives… I suppose I should pick a few hot chillies & try that too… although have to say that, I don’t find BBB by it’s self medicinal tasting at all. The interesting part of chillies is that they are pretty staple in just about every thing cooked here… and that the Thai natives suffering from gout is fairly common… Although not using BBB… of course, even though I been trying to get my neighbour to do… but I don’t think he’s convinced yet! but he has been inconsistent… in using it… I finding the regular doses are generally controlling swelling & stabbings… Therefore to me at least, it is now a routine, “staple” rather than taking any pills. The last Lasix pills I took, did not seem to help anyway…. But I suppose different a bit for everyone… It surprises me, that Trev cannot find the Black Beans, I think it was Juliana who said Sainsbury’s had them… Here they have Tesco Chains…Both are all over UK aren’t they? (been forty years since I lived there…)Surprised they would not have there too?… just about every thing seems to be so global these days? Jim

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Well Met. I just tried de-husking a few from the last batch? Good for you having the patience to do that? although worse, would be de-husking Cashew Nuts!

My latest brew which is still cooling, with the new stronger ginger is quite tasty? almost like ginger beer!:lol:

I did not like the Cinnamon flavor of the last batch, that much?.

At least now, my feet have stopped throbbing

As for these ginger types, you say young & old, the ones I have in the garden, are about year old?.since I transplanted them, so I?m not sure still if the same kind or not?

ah! I?ve just done a Google search, & yes it?s different, there & hundreds of varieties too? This site has pictures of what ?westerners know as ginger? And has a red flower, I think I have one, but it seems very slow growing?

One site said the ginger as used by most people in the west grows to only three feet, my ?Thai Ginger? is at least six feet.

As for these ginger types, you say young & old, the ones I have in the garden, are about year old?.since I transplanted them, so I?m not sure still if the same kind or not?

ah! I?ve just done a Google search, & yes it?s different, there & hundreds of varieties too? This site has pictures of what ?westerners know as ginger? And has a red flower, I think I have one, but it seems very slow growing?

One site said the ginger as used by most people in the west grows to only three feet, my ?Thai Ginger? is at least six feet.

Anyway, I?ll see how the new brew goes?.
Jim

?Houston we have a problem? AKA Keith! my edited post is not working well here!

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Mets Quote:

At the moment, I am experimenting on BBB by soaking the beans for a longer period in warm water. I noticed that the soaking water turned very dark in colour. I kept the soaking water by straining it. Then I dehulled the beans ? separating the hulls from the beans. After that I added the hulls to the ?soaking water ‘ and continued with the boiling and simmering process. Too bad, I was not able to test/compare its effectiveness with my usual ?recipe? because I did not have any gout flared up. My last flare-up had already been taken care of by earlier doses of BBB.

Wow! dehulling the beans, That would be very tedious!:eek:

I think my experiment of trying to cut down the beans is not working… so my newest batch on the go right now is back up to about the 7 onces… or about 1/2 the 500 grm pack.

What’s interesting too, since going back on the Lasix, both feet are now swollen, I had twinges in left ankle (first time!:frown:)… but too, perhaps it is because I cut down the amount of beans?)

Now for Juliana’s benefit, (well others too) I’ve been doing this BBB think for a couple of months at least now, and doing about 3 batches a week…

I take first thing in the morning & then throughout the day… until recently it has kept the swelling & twinges away for the most part…

The other thing I cut out is the low dose apsirin after reading some where here on this forum, it was not good… It is so hard to make decisions sometimes… but I am the opinion Doctors are not always right, or probably so “brain washed” into prescribing pills, they just don’t always know…

I did find “real ginger” at one our “box stores” yesterday, it certainly is stronger than what they grow here… (I thought so… but was not sure. Reference from earlier post).

I have a chopped up root cooking with the lastest batch of beans… I am just waiting for it to cool down… that’s this weeks experiment!

We’ll see how it goes! I’ll keep you posted!

Jim

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Well, I just relalized reading Mets’ post, that I ate a tin of Baked Beans last night, & despite taking the first Lasix pill this morning, (in a while).

The knives & daggers were out on both feet for a while late this morning, (unusual for the left foot)… & right foot still slightly “throbby” 😥

I did polish off the last batch of broth which helped, & made some more… I actually added a Cinnamon stick which has produced an interesting flavour…:smile: I was too lazy to go out & dig up some more ginger though!

Now me wonders, if I had stuck to the 7 oz amount whilst boiling the two litres….if that would have made a difference to my 7.3 mg /dl levels in the test yesterday…hmmmm?

However the lower amount of black beans I have been trying, still seem to help in relief of the swelling or daggers!:wink:

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oh Metamorph!, you are too kind! 😳

Anyway I made it to the local hospital this morning & got tested for Uric Acid & Cholesterol levels…

Uric acid levels 7.3 mg/dl so I guess I am in the “warning zone”:eek:

Cholesterol levels high too, but not taken pills for two months, for that either… I guess Cinnamon & Oatmeal does not do it… not that I want to get too much off topic…. 🙂

Doctor gave me Lasix pills to take again 20 mg (or half a 40 mg tab a day) at least they are cheap!:lol:

Crestor is very expensive… same as N/America, probably everywhere! OMG! 😥

I was told to return in early March to check both blood levels again.

Just to add, blood pressure normal… always is!

Jim

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Well since new year’s eve, when I pushed my occasional limit of one beer to three… the “dancing daggers” in my right foot particularly , got worse for a couple of days:eek: But both feet still swollen a bit today…

The food I ate was nothing really different than normal, so it had to be the extra beers! 😥

My consumption of BBB has increased, this week… drinking it more frequently…. which helps….

I found a much cheaper source, of the same brand of beans too….:lol:

Tomorrow morning, I am going to get the blood tests done & see where things are at… it must be two months since I stopped the pills.

Will let you know what they come out at…

Jim

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Jim- I’m still getting along with no attacks without gout meds. I’m still taking 2 low level diuretics, one which[lasix] with the co-admin [ with the requisite 5 hr gap ] of Losartan as discussed here. This may have a slight urate lowering effect and is better than full dose thiazides by themselves.

So this is still taking some form of meds, Trev…I have cut them all out…

It’s interesting, that some days, it seems I have an extremely long lasting “Pee” like it’s never going to finish:eek:

I am not sure if it’s because, when it is “cool” here (30c :cool:) I don’t sweat so much during the day or whether it is just eliminating excess fluids. Every few days (this seems to happen)… I hate it when that happens in the middle if the night though & I am half asleep!:wink:

From Metamorph:
Jim, that was exactly the last 4 packets I got from the supermarket ? no increase in price. Well, the increase in price of black soybeans is typical of Ch?.. Businessmen.

Oh those Chinese business men taking advantage of the sick ! 😆

By the way, how did BBB work for your neighbour?

The problem with my neighbour, is:

(1) I think he’s skeptical about it… so I can’t seem to get him to keep doing it… so just doing it once or twice probably does not work for him, & won’t take pills either… typical of Thai’s not to spend money for a doctor or pills.

(2) He & his wife are not on “good terms” at the moment, after over 30 years of marriage! So she won’t make it for him, everything is an argument!!! :frown: (not all well in paradise!)

I think if I was to make it for him, by doing 4 litres, I might be able to get him to take it more often… I know it bothers him, he gets it in the knee joint… other Thais I know get it there too, more so than the feet.

But it’s also having them understand it is more than just Chicken (which they all know, is a cause)… but the Mangoes & some other things they eat too.. on a regular basis… & because too, she has driven him to drink that probably does not help either…:eek:

Well must get out & water the garden!

Happy New & Gout free year to all!:smile:

Jim

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Interesting comment on prices from Metamorph, you had better pop up north here & grab some black beans in Thailand!

They are still about 30 baht or $1.00 ? 50p UK.

Says ?Black Beans Product of Thailand? on the bag, 500 grams company name Raitip? the rest is all in Thai, so no understand!:cry:

But available just about every where on my small island. I have yet to see the Thai?s use it in cooking, although I have given juice to my Thai neighbour, when he has a flare up of gout? & they know what they are.

These beans are fairly black (half the size of what are used for baked beans) in colour & when boiled produce a fairly brownish liquid, I really don?t find the taste that bad at all?

So my christmas turkey feast went well, I took a huge gulp of it before & after? and other than having a few ?dancing daggers? in my right foot, on 26th,:frown: I have been fine since? although continue taking the daily doses?

One other thing, I have cut down of how many beans I boil, in 2 litres of water? that does not seem to make a difference? so now, making 3 batches instead of 2 from the 500 grams pack?

Question, is anyone else just doing BBB with out any other pills?

I did by the way, add freshly dug & chopped up ginger to one of the recent batches, can?t say other than it giving the BBB a very slight hint of a ginger flavour, it made no difference to the effectiveness?just too lazy to dig up more!

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Metamorph,

I was hoping you might know the answer to the ginger question, the stuff that grows here in the tropics, that grows about 6 feet high. There is tons of it growing around the property I have.
I’ll experiment with some on the next batch, I can’t see it would harm or even taste that bad.

The other thing I been drinking lately is Cinnamon juice, I just put a few sticks about 1″ long in a glass of hot water & let it sit, then drink it & reuse the sticks until they get too weak…

I saw some mention of Cinnamon on this site somewhere. The reason for taking it is more for Cholesterol lowering… I don’t think it has any effect on the foot swelling…?

I know when I do my “Indian food Fix” of Chicken Vindaloo or what ever… Which is not as often as I would like, because I know that the next day the twinges & swelling will come for sure… 😥

Although, now I have this BBB making down pat, without boiling it dry! (brought a timer!) I can usually get most of the swelling & twinges down in about 20 minutes to half an hour.:smile:

So, we’ll see after the Turkey feast next week!:wink:

[Thaijim]

GoutPal said:

Thank goodness everyone is discussing twinges instead of roaring with pain.

Reminds me of when I used to fix computers. If it didn’t work, the fix was usually pretty easy to find. An intermittent computer twinge is like a gouty one ? could be almost anything. And at the moment, I’m far more bothered by computer twinges than gouty ones

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Hi everyone,
Sorry not been in much, I have been sorting Windows 7 & internet problems for nearly a month! a new clean install fixed it…. too bad we can’t all do a “clean install” when it comes to gout!:lol:

Well, it is about one year ago today the “vampire” struck me in the right foot,(I was sure it was an insect bite, then) but had I known then what I know now, thanks to this site.. I would not have waited two days before heading to the hospital & ending up staying there for 5 or six days on IV to control the pain in the right leg.

But now I seem to only get the occasional twinge & swelling of the right foot.(usually). I do try to keep my feet elevated when sleeping, which is not always easy.

But I have to say, I took my self off all the pills, a little over a month ago & seem to be OK with a few daily doses of B.B.B. & for the most part avoiding Chicken, which seems to be the worse of any of the foods I eat, & causes twinges & larger swelling of the foot. Most days my feet seem fairly normal. Although as I write this I feel throbbing in the right foot… oh dear!

Come this Christmas, a number of us “Expats” are getting together for a full turkey dinner, so perhaps come the 26th I may regret having participated, but last Christmas was just laying down & doing very little as the pain was so intense when standing!… so I am going to take my chances & go for it!:eek:

I have not been to get any testing done either, I suppose I should that, just to see where things are…. perhaps tomorrow, tomorrow!:wink:

[Thaijim]

Yes certainly a long read, as with Metamorph, going to have to go through it again!

Just to update on myself, I am still not back to any pills, the BBB seems to be keeping right foot swelling down… when I get that slight throbbing feeling, I take another glass full of BBB & it clears things up in about 20 minutes. 🙂

Jim

[Thaijim]

It’s so easy to get side tracked here with these interesting links!

I have now been off the Lasix pills for close to a couple of weeks … The BBB seems to being doing an effective job on its own…

Co-insedentally I seem to be sleeping better & longer too…
Anyone else have sleeping problems?

I also started making a Cinnamon / honey mixture to hopefully help lower Cholesterol… but reading some earlier posts on Gout Pal that it too may have some benefits on Gouty symptoms too… Often mentioned as a “wonder cure” for many things…. ???

Well onwards & side ways, must get todays batch of BBB off the burner!😆

[Thaijim]

Yes, good link there, now book marked to have a proper read later.

I find the BBB lasts for about 4 days in the fridge, I generally drink a glass in morning & again in evening… (I make about 2 litres at a time)…

Certainly it seems effective.
After Zip’s comments on Lasix I stopped taking it, partly to see what would happen… most days OK …

I not had time to head back to see a doctor yet, but did try a deep (& painful at the time) massage on the legs… the first seemed to help more than the second time…

But now I think about it I was naughty twice this week & had chicken... :frown: Which seems to be the worst for triggering foot swelling, for me.

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Thanks for the “welcome back” First to Zip2play: Regarding…..Why not add losartan (Cozaar) 50 mg./day to your furosemide. Well it is the first I have heard of this drug..(perhaps because I not been keeping up with you guys:oops: I just did a quick search on it, seems to imply it is for high blood pressure…. My BP is always “normal” ( I’ll do more research on it & ask my doctor or pharmacist..) but if it’s still under patent, as is Crestor which I take to lower cholesterol , it is a much to buy here as in Canada I know… no generic substitute for that, that I have heard of… Drugs are “officially regulated” here, although from what I hear, anything can be purchased from “Viagra” to who knows what… whether it’s the “real thing” or not, is another question… I deal with a reputable pharmacist, the local hospital or the local doctor… who are above board. Going to keep it that way too!

[Thaijim]

Hello everyone!
Sorry it has been a while since I signed in here… “retired life” here in Thailand just seems to keep me too busy! My garden mostly… & the odd trip to the beach!!!! 😎

Just to update my “gout attack” took place last December… it was several months to get things under reasonable control.

I still get a swollen right foot sometimes (comes & goes, with a mild pain in the heal) although, if I avoid chicken it’s normally not too bad… Last week, my left foot swelled up for the first time…. that lasted a few days & seems to be back to normal.

I generally avoid red meats, pork, I use occasionally, but use more fruits & veggies… perhaps this has helped me to lost about 15 1bs, this year… not that I was overly overweight to begin with… part of it is “sweat & toil”, since I love to garden!

I still take 20mg Furosemide daily.

When I remember, I boil up a brew of Black Beans… (about #1.00 here for 500 grams, or just over a pound).

I actually find it quite a refreshing drink…& find the taste acceptable & no side effects coming from the “other end”.:lol: I keep in the fridge …it certainly helps control the swelling… I really should get into the habit of making more often… without letting it boil dry!:eek:

Well, that’s my update! I’ll try to come back & check in more often, again!

Jim

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